. >> it's been all about taxes. >> all about raising taxes. >> there's this obsession with raising taxes. >> it was to go after school lunches and elderly care, health care for poor kids and increased spending. >> no, no, no, they want entitlement reform, joy ann. why this obsession with cutting old people's medicare? >> it's not an obsession about cutting benefits to the elderly, joy ann. it's about reforming medicare over time so at some point in the future we don't tell an 80-year-old you know what? you're not going get the medicare cha you thought you would have. this is about not hurting the elderly. >> the republican solution is to hand 80-year-olds a voucher and saying good luck, go into the markets and see what you can get. >> 80-year-olds are not any part of it. they're 20, 30 years from now. the president's idea of spending cuts had to do with $700 billion worth of medicare cuts in the past two years ago. >> and paul ryan endorsed it. >> paul ryan endorsed it and that was in ryan's plan. thanks, guys. >> there was another surprise coming out of washington today. the unexpected